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右邊的是哥哥, 比弟弟大了15歲 兄弟的臉長的很像, 但其實有許多的不同 哥哥是早期的樣子, 再加上T的胎記, 應該是屬於較少見的 弟弟出生時已經接近5970接替期, 有著比較現代的面孔 
這些不同之處, 您能找得出來嗎?  |
好一對兄弟 真美啊
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daniel670804
資深會員   |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 14:18
好一對兄弟 真美啊
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harrison_cheng
資深會員  |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 19:37
白大哥您這支 Tiffany應該是前一百支的3970,因為他好像是two-tone dial.如果再加上 Tiffany的加持,可以說是非常稀有的3970版本.恭喜您. |
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harrison_cheng
資深會員 |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 19:45
小門兄,小弟跟您的想法完全相同,我是覺得Les miserables的劇情深度是遠超過phantom,家中有一捲他的DVDs,是當初的原班人馬在10週年在倫敦錄製的.建議您可以買來收藏,我是百聽不厭. |
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picturep
資深會員 |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 21:32
報告哈里森兄, 這一隻生於3970量產的第二年, 所以有一張老臉 
但, 已經是旋入式的後蓋, 不會是那頭100隻 
它的出生紙上的名字是 3970/E, 所以是 the 3ed series 
沒關係, 要效法前輩您, 偶會慢慢等 
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harrison_cheng
資深會員 |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 22:40
白大哥,我是根據您的面盤上的左右計時圈的顏色來粗判的,前100支的顏色跟面盤其他的部分是有色差的,所以才叫做two-tone dial,3970是從 875000開始,如果您這支的序號是在 875099之前, 應該就是前100支了.只是我不確定前100支的底蓋樣式是如何的.好像不是旋入式後蓋,應該是壓入式的.我有點confused. |
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chester_liu
白金會員   |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 22:40
me three  _________________ 人 生 三 願 事 --- 吃得下、睡得著、笑得出 ------------------------------------------------- ---◎任何人都會變老，但不是每個人都會成長 ◎--- ----- 道德常能填補智慧上的遺憾，然而智慧卻無法彌補道德上的缺失 ----- |
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harrison_cheng
資深會員 |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 22:53
以下是美國一個timezone上的會員跟dealer(Jonh Lydon)他做過3970的研究供您參考: I plan to write several article around collecting vintage/discontinued Patek Philippe watches. I am beginning the series with the 3970. I chose this reference because there is more diversity in this reference than any other series that I know of. One could focus on the 3970 and create an impressive collection just around just this one watch. First a little history, the 3970 began in 1986 and was discontinued in 2004. It replaced the 2499/100. The 2 watches shared many of the same exterior features. The most obvious differences being the case size and hands. The 2499 was 38mm in diameter vs the 3970 was 36mm diameter, both have a snap on back. Another minor difference is the hands, on the 2499 they were dauphine vs the leaf hands on the 3970. The movement was the major change. The movement on the 2499 was the Cal 13 CCR which was also used 1518. It was retired in 1986 when Patek discontinued the 2499/100 series. As mentioned above the 1st series began in 1986 and was a snap back. It was limited to approximately 100 watches. The dials were a very subtle 2 tone difference between the sub-dials and the rest of the dial. The movement serial numbers began with 875000 and the case was #2824130. There was no price on the Patek price sheet in 1986. In 1987 the price was $42,000usd, and 1988 the price was $46,500usd. Patek began a 2nd series where the case back was changed to a solid screw back. I don’t know if the case was fully waterproof at this stage. The dial changed very slightly and was no longer 2 tone. Typical of this series there exists several examples of 2nd series with the 2 tone dial. Actually patek was getting many requests beginning around this time for special dials which some they would accommodate. This results in a variety of different case/dial combinations, thus making this reference (imo) having the most interesting variety in Patek history. Patek was also getting requests for a sapphire crystal screw back. Patek then began a new reference 3971 which came with the sapphire screw back while continuing to sell the 2nd series with the solid back. Both were identical with the exception of the back. With the 2nd series you also had the option to order the sapphire crystal screw back separately so you will see 2nd series with both backs. The movement s/n during the 2nd series was mostly in the 875XXX range. I say mostly because I was able to find at least 2 of the 2nd series with lower 876XXX s/n’s. The 2nd series ran from 1986 to approx 1991 when they began the 3rd series. Someone in manufacturing finally caught one that this was ridiculous to have 2 separate references not to mention it must have been costing them some money, that they finally merged the 3970/3971 into what is known as the 3rd series and called it 3970E. The “E” standing for “etanche” or translated “waterproof”. There were several changes at this time. The dial changed font, color, and the hour baton markers which went from squared ends to triangular. The hands changed to the baton style. All the 3970E’s now came with both backs which required a new box. Box was a little larger and had a clip for the spare back. Again it appears in the earlier years there was requests for special dials and some of them were granted so you get a large variety of looks. If you compare this to 5970 where you have the different model based upon which metal you ordered they are all uniform. All the white gold’s are the same as is the rose and now the yellow, not giving you the extraordinary variety you can see with the Reference 3970. Some combinations for the rose gold are; 1) 1st series snap back/silver dial 2) 2nd series screw back silver dial 3) 3971 with black diamond dial 4) 2nd series silver dial, enlarged hallmarks on side of case (I have only seen 2) 5) 3rd series silver baton dial Some combinations for the white gold are; 1) 2nd series silver dial, enlarged hallmarks on side of case (I have only seen 1) 2) 3rd series with gray diamond dial 3) 3rd series with black baton dial. Some combinations of Platinum are; 1) 2nd series with silver baton dial. 2) Black diamond dial. 3) Salmon diamond dial 4) Black baton dial. 5) Black Arabic dial 6) 3rd series with silver baton dial 7) 3rd series with diamond baguette dial Some combinations of yellow gold are; 1) 1st series with silver dial. 2) 2nd series with silver baton dial. 3) 3rd series with silver diamond dial (very rare). The combinations between the different cases, dials and hands is very large and this is part of the fun when looking for something different and unique. I anyone has any further information in regards to different dial/case combinations I would be happy to hear from you. I did not go into the different boxes or papers in this article, I just wanted to keep the focus on the watch itself. harrison_cheng 在 星期二 2009-08-11 00:18 作了第 2 次修改 |
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smalldoor
終極會員   |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 22:57
謝謝哈大哥的建議，，有空會去逛逛找找，，其實PHANTOM也不錯不過他描述的只是男女之愛，小弟覺得有點悶。。，LES MISERABLES 描述許多偉大的愛，不僅只有男女之愛而已。。。可惜台灣沒演 |
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smalldoor
終極會員 |
發表於: 星期一 2009-08-10 23:03
小弟聽過台中大大戶的意見他也是說第100只以前的是壓入式底蓋的防水較差但較珍貴 |
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picturep
資深會員 |
發表於: 星期二 2009-08-11 00:29
謝謝哈大哥, 這篇文章非常有幫助
手上這隻錶愈研究愈有趣 面盤應該是所謂的 2 tone (24時區及潤年區的顏色較深) 再加上棒狀時標, 柳葉針, 應該不晚於 2nd series 機芯序號也是 8750XX 但是由於後蓋是旋入式的, 所以應該不是最早的那一批 另一份文件提到, 1st series 不到100隻 而其出廠年份1987, 不該是 the 3rd series 所以很可能是最早的 2nd series 出廠證明上的"3970/E" 可能是指其旋入式背蓋的防水功能, 並非"3970E" (目前所見過的3970E文件都沒有那個"/") 這隻錶並沒有透明背蓋, 這也苻合 2nd series 以3970/3971來區分的方式 再補一張面盤比較 
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