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jao0189
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vgvgvg30
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jao0189
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發表於: 星期四 2009-07-23 14:51
對阿,感覺不是很協調,就是擔心這點! |
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yenfoolun
進階會員  |
發表於: 星期四 2009-07-23 18:27
上星期在citizen看到一支经过碰撞的autozilla，表壳凹了！
犹如之前看到网上的一支sinn一样。 表的外层经过加强硬化，防刮一流，但是会有鸡蛋般的效果，外硬内软，碰撞后会凹！ 看来还是damasko的ice hardened技术最强！ _________________ Rolex SD YMii Panerai PP 5711 AP RO UJ 1150 Breguet tradition Etc |
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SAS
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發表於: 星期四 2009-07-23 23:58
關於damasko的東西 仔細對照 你會發現他的東西和Sinn幾乎一樣 特殊膠圈、無鎳鋼、高防磁.... 國外有人提到兩家原本合作後來分道揚鑣 所以他們的硬化技術不會相差太遠 甚至我認為Sinn的tegimented處理和ice hardened其實都是一樣的！ 而且所謂的外硬內軟 其實硬化處理都有可能遇到 雖然tegimented處理不是只有表面硬化 而是硬化到一定厚度 但是基層的金屬仍然是屬於偏軟 自然有可能被撞凹 damasko的ice hardened除非是整隻錶硬化（但是表殼本身的厚度又使得這個很難實現） 否則也是有可能會凹下去的！ _________________ Who Dares Wins! |
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yenfoolun
進階會員 |
發表於: 星期五 2009-07-24 00:33
对，表的确很像！ damasko其实因为ice hardened和精准切割技术出名，被sinn相中替他制表壳。 sinn 的第一批756就是用damasko的表壳！ 过后为何分道扬镳就不晓得了 以技术而言，ice hardened 和 tegsimented两者确实不一样！ tegsimented正的只有表面硬，但是硬度比ice hardened高！ damasko确实整只表壳ice hardened，连龙头，计时按钮也一样！ damasko 的dc66更有如ceramic的防刮表圈 _________________ Rolex SD YMii Panerai PP 5711 AP RO UJ 1150 Breguet tradition Etc |
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yclinf
中級會員   |
發表於: 星期四 2009-08-13 18:54
嗯
分享一下 小弟的矽膠錶帶(其他錶款)，曾經在游泳池練習潛水時無預警斷掉 所以重要場合(潛水) 小弟絕不戴矽膠或橡膠錶帶的錶 金屬錶帶通常只會變形 但是橡膠或矽膠錶帶 可能因為老化(氯氣, 刮傷, UV, ....) 在你想不到的時候掛點 |
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SAS
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發表於: 星期四 2009-08-13 20:19
您誤會小弟的意思了 ice hardened硬化技術應該就是所謂的深冷處理 這樣的處理技術簡單來說就是鋼材下去冷卻 當然深入的內容 小弟不是專家 不敢說太多 http://www.cryogenic.com.tw/tw/3-1.asp?m_language=1 但是大致上這樣的技術 並不是針對整個表殼進行硬化 因為除非要硬化的金屬很薄 才有可能整個硬化 不然也只是硬化到一定深度而已！ 這是有一定深度的硬化 這和DLC或是PVD硬化不一樣 DLC或PVD反而比較像是加上一層薄膜（舉例說明而已 細節各位可以自行查閱） 而SINN的Tegiment技術 http://www.sinn.de/TEGIMENT.htm 或是在他們原廠的英文目錄第十三頁就有提到： To understand the durability of this technology properly, you must know that a Tegiment layer is not a coating of foreign material. Rather, the surface of the stainless steel itself is hardened using a special process. 另外他的美國經銷商引用原廠說明： http://www.watchbuys.com/store/pc/viewContent.asp?idpage=76 The Tegiment layer is not a coating consisting of a foreign material, instead the steel itself that has been hardened using a special engineering process that creates a hardened barrier. The base material is a type of stainless steel also used for surgical implants, and the stainless steel resistance to corrosion is even further improved by the Tegiment hardening process. 這都代表泰式處理不是光表面硬化而已 而是有硬化到表殼一定深度！ 至於龍頭和其他部分的硬化 Sinn其實也有 最豪華的就是U1000 除了龍頭 按鈕有硬化之外 連錶帶現在都有硬化版 _________________ Who Dares Wins! |
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yenfoolun
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發表於: 星期五 2009-08-14 00:13
以下是抄自damasko 的表壳技术 The Watch Case It has always been one of our major goals to design a watch case with superior resistance against scratches, knocks, and general wear, but the materials commonly available, including the rather soft titanium definitively do not feature the necessary characteristics. The term 316L describes the kind of steel which is predominantly used in the watch industry. It features good corrosion resistance but is also relatively soft. Occasional knocks with a watch made from this material will often lead to serious scratches or dents. Although there is the possibility to harden the surface of 316L (1.4435) or 1.4301 up to 1200 Vickers by diffusing carbon into the top layers of the steel, there is no way to temper the material. Due to the austenitic structure of the alloy it is impossible to make sure that that steel remains its hardness throughout the body. Various tests have proved that this kind of surface treatment is not suitable for our purposes because it only hardens the top layer of the metal. This leads to the so-called egg-shell effect. We were able to dent and scratch the “hardened” surface with an ordinary pair of tweezers (which are normally made from spring steel) because the material underneath the hard layer was not able to withstand the pressure. Due to the reasons described above we searched extensively for better alternatives. In 1994 after five years of research we took out patents for 20 closely related martensitic sorts of stainless steel which highly exceeded our expectations. They are absolutely nickel-free, offer a good corrosion resistance, and can be tempered up to 64 HRC/800Vickers which is four times the hardness of every other steel currently used in the watch industry. What makes this material so special is the fact that the molten steel is enriched with 0.35% nitrogen under high pressure. Nitrogen and carbon are responsible for the hardness of the alloy. Under normal circumstances it takes about 1% of carbon to temper a martensitic steel up to 60 Rockwell but the low nitrogen content of our steel only requires 0.35% of carbon to achieve this superior hardness and in addition to that leads to an excellent corrosion resistance which is many times higher compared to other temperable martensitic steels. Due to the special process of hardening we call this steel “ice-hardened, nickel-free stainless steel”. This material is patented for our applications and Damasko makes exclusive use of this pioneering material. The entire watch case, including hardened crown and pushers is designed, engineered, and machined at our factory near Regensburg. Until the end of 2002 we supplied our cases to a well known German watch brand but from now on these cases will only be available through Damasko. After the special heat treatment mentioned above our steel reaches a maximum hardness of 62 Rockwell which makes it superbly scratch-resistant. You have to search hard to find a common household item ( apart from a sapphire nail-file or a brick) that is able to scratch the case. Due to its superior performances this steel was mainly created for aeronautical use in: - ball bearings for jet-engines - rotor bearings for helicopters - fuel pumps of the “Space Shuttle” - high-speed bearings in CNC lathes - dental and surgical instruments The use of this steel in watch cases is patented for our company. EU - Geschmacksmuster Nr. 000004296-0002 Inhaber: Petra Damasko 小弟也不是专家，只是想搞清楚！见谅 _________________ Rolex SD YMii Panerai PP 5711 AP RO UJ 1150 Breguet tradition Etc |
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Haxer
初級會員   |
發表於: 星期五 2009-08-14 10:25
Sinn原廠網站已有英文版本, 德國人總算開竅了
其中有說明了Tegiment特性, 也在黑色PVD+Tegiment處理中說明, Tegiment是解決PVD"蛋殼效應"的良策 Sinn 756, 856雖全殼Tegiment處理HV1200,後底蓋還是用深冷處理的無鎳鋼HV700, 比較抗皮膚敏感 Damasko的金屬處理對Sinn應只是舊期部份配件 不過品牌商家各自吹捧自己難免, 我們長知識就好了 http://www.sinn.de/TEGIMENT.htm |
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