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Ha ha! I love your §Î®e about Lange! I should indeed learn from you. You just use a few words to say what I want to say in a few days! |
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Thanks for your suggestion. I would like to get one but I was told that there is no ¤¤¤å¤â¼gªO available for Apple Mac Computer (using Intel CPU) yet... Is there any new product available now for that? |
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It is interesting to see the Lange vs PP debate.... ...
Now, it is happening in TZ too: http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t=msg&th=865752&rid=0#msg_2889388 This time is "5970 vs Dato Perpetual". Actually, do you think that PP consider Lange as their major competitor? I can tell you that they don't think so... they think there is another one.... (but please don't ask me how I know it...) |
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All I know is as below: ¤p»X«ï¤§¨t¬y»Ý¨D: Window 98/Me/2000/XP. «Øij¤j¤j¥i¥h¹q¸£¾¹§÷©±¸ß°Ý¬O§_¦³¦X¾AApple Macªº¤¤¤å¤â¼gªO. _________________ ¶q¤O¦Ó¬°, ©ÉµM¦Û±o. |
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Great article, I want to give it a 5 !!! Just a few more comments from me: - I never ®³¦Û¤vªºview·í¼Ð·Ç. I appreciate people who can fully understand and think independently. If he/she really loves to buy, say Franck Muller, please go ahead. I will fully support that it that's what he/she wants (not because he/she thinks that other people think FM is "trendy"). - I always remind myself that I need to "¤µ¤Ñªº§Ú¥´Ë¬Q¤Ñªº§Ú". I need to move on... I need to grow. I was like some people, I HATE 3712 when I saw its press release initially... however, after I saw the real watch, I fall in love with it. I am almost wearing it everyday to work. However, for 5085, it is ugly to me... from they day one till now. That's what I mean "visually appealing" is important for watch.... - Trendy or not??? What do you think about Jackie Chan and Lange TZ... Jackie Chan and IWC.... - Marketing? If it is telling us true, I am ok with that... but... let me ask all the people here... what do you think Lange's marketing? a) It just give you a feeling that Lange use traditional German way to make watch? b) It give you a feeling that Lange use traditional German way to make watch? And you were told that these are unique to Lange. Ask some average fine watch collector, do they think "3/4 plate" = exclusive German way of watch making... I guess most of them would say yes.... Why? That's what I called marketing. With good marketing, you can say deliver message that is indeed no ture.... Have you heard of a watch that never need service in SIHH 2007? Do you know which one? What do you think? Are they telling us truth? |
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